Talk:Racial Stealth Modifier - Revision history

WinterRose at 19:21, 20 September 2013

2013-09-20T19:21:16Z

Shadowtop: stealth?

2013-09-20T11:57:49Z

stealth?

WinterRose at 20:10, 19 September 2013

2013-09-19T20:10:37Z

3nki at 19:58, 19 September 2013

2013-09-19T19:58:33Z

Shadowtop: Tua stealth looks way out of whack.

2013-09-19T03:30:48Z

Tua stealth looks way out of whack.

Mekrith at 02:16, 23 December 2011

2011-12-23T02:16:34Z

Mekrith at 20:13, 17 December 2011

2011-12-17T20:13:43Z

Mekrith at 20:10, 17 December 2011

2011-12-17T20:10:49Z

WinterRose at 08:54, 17 December 2011

2011-12-17T08:54:28Z

Belag: info about tua

2011-12-15T14:42:29Z

info about tua

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 i too find it hard to believe tua deserves a 2, but i don't have one so can't say for sure. but seeing hie/elf/drw/hlf/kzin are 1 i'd be surprised to find tua with a better stealth mod. also, i think dsd stealth should be 1 in the chart. dsd will seem much better anyway from small size and higher dex. i think the size and dex mods, as mentioned in the note at bottom of pg, get overlooked often and assigned to the racial stealth mod--[[User:3nki|3nki]] 15:58, 19 September 2013 (EDT)
-: Having ran a tua BCI, I had an oportunity to see how it performed with and without nightcloak. It never failed a stab. Ever. Nils I got were same as anyone else, but it it didn't nil, it connected and did damage. That being said I am unsure if this was a combination of dex+int (doubtful, tua have low dex, compared to other roguetypes) or maybe a combo of those with a solid stealth mod. Regardless, nightcloak or no, they ARE stealthy. -- [[User:WinterRose|WinterRose]] 16:10, 19 September 2013 (EDT)
+: Having ran a tua BCI, I had an opportunity to see how it performed with and without nightcloak. It never failed a stab. Ever. Nils I got were same as anyone else, but it it didn't nil, it connected and did damage. That being said I am unsure if this was a combination of dex+int (doubtful, tua have low dex, compared to other roguetypes) or maybe a combo of those with a solid stealth mod. Regardless, nightcloak or no, they ARE stealthy. -- [[User:WinterRose|WinterRose]] 16:10, 19 September 2013 (EDT)
 :: How useful is it to try and separate out the basic stealth modifier from dex, size and whatever else? I presume that the main use for this chart is to help people decide on what race to go for a rogue-type character. In which case, the bottom line you want to know is how well your character does with sneaky type skills at the end of the day... right? --[[User:Shadowtop|Shadowtop]] 07:57, 20 September 2013 (EDT)
 [[User:Mekrith|Mekrith]] 20:16, 22 December 2011 (CST): can anyone confirm if gob/kob have good stealth?  I'm way too lazy to test right now.

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	: Having ran a tua BCI, I had an oportunity to see how it performed with and without nightcloak. It never failed a stab. Ever. Nils I got were same as anyone else, but it it didn't nil, it connected and did damage. That being said I am unsure if this was a combination of dex+int (doubtful, tua have low dex, compared to other roguetypes) or maybe a combo of those with a solid stealth mod. Regardless, nightcloak or no, they ARE stealthy. -- [[User:WinterRose\|WinterRose]] 16:10, 19 September 2013 (EDT)		: Having ran a tua BCI, I had an oportunity to see how it performed with and without nightcloak. It never failed a stab. Ever. Nils I got were same as anyone else, but it it didn't nil, it connected and did damage. That being said I am unsure if this was a combination of dex+int (doubtful, tua have low dex, compared to other roguetypes) or maybe a combo of those with a solid stealth mod. Regardless, nightcloak or no, they ARE stealthy. -- [[User:WinterRose\|WinterRose]] 16:10, 19 September 2013 (EDT)
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		+	:: How useful is it to try and separate out the basic stealth modifier from dex, size and whatever else? I presume that the main use for this chart is to help people decide on what race to go for a rogue-type character. In which case, the bottom line you want to know is how well your character does with sneaky type skills at the end of the day... right? --[[User:Shadowtop\|Shadowtop]] 07:57, 20 September 2013 (EDT)

	[[User:Mekrith\|Mekrith]] 20:16, 22 December 2011 (CST): can anyone confirm if gob/kob have good stealth? I'm way too lazy to test right now.		[[User:Mekrith\|Mekrith]] 20:16, 22 December 2011 (CST): can anyone confirm if gob/kob have good stealth? I'm way too lazy to test right now.

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	i too find it hard to believe tua deserves a 2, but i don't have one so can't say for sure. but seeing hie/elf/drw/hlf/kzin are 1 i'd be surprised to find tua with a better stealth mod. also, i think dsd stealth should be 1 in the chart. dsd will seem much better anyway from small size and higher dex. i think the size and dex mods, as mentioned in the note at bottom of pg, get overlooked often and assigned to the racial stealth mod--[[User:3nki\|3nki]] 15:58, 19 September 2013 (EDT)		i too find it hard to believe tua deserves a 2, but i don't have one so can't say for sure. but seeing hie/elf/drw/hlf/kzin are 1 i'd be surprised to find tua with a better stealth mod. also, i think dsd stealth should be 1 in the chart. dsd will seem much better anyway from small size and higher dex. i think the size and dex mods, as mentioned in the note at bottom of pg, get overlooked often and assigned to the racial stealth mod--[[User:3nki\|3nki]] 15:58, 19 September 2013 (EDT)
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		+	: Having ran a tua BCI, I had an oportunity to see how it performed with and without nightcloak. It never failed a stab. Ever. Nils I got were same as anyone else, but it it didn't nil, it connected and did damage. That being said I am unsure if this was a combination of dex+int (doubtful, tua have low dex, compared to other roguetypes) or maybe a combo of those with a solid stealth mod. Regardless, nightcloak or no, they ARE stealthy. -- [[User:WinterRose\|WinterRose]] 16:10, 19 September 2013 (EDT)

	[[User:Mekrith\|Mekrith]] 20:16, 22 December 2011 (CST): can anyone confirm if gob/kob have good stealth? I'm way too lazy to test right now.		[[User:Mekrith\|Mekrith]] 20:16, 22 December 2011 (CST): can anyone confirm if gob/kob have good stealth? I'm way too lazy to test right now.

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		+	i too find it hard to believe tua deserves a 2, but i don't have one so can't say for sure. but seeing hie/elf/drw/hlf/kzin are 1 i'd be surprised to find tua with a better stealth mod. also, i think dsd stealth should be 1 in the chart. dsd will seem much better anyway from small size and higher dex. i think the size and dex mods, as mentioned in the note at bottom of pg, get overlooked often and assigned to the racial stealth mod--[[User:3nki\|3nki]] 15:58, 19 September 2013 (EDT)
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	[[User:Mekrith\|Mekrith]] 20:16, 22 December 2011 (CST): can anyone confirm if gob/kob have good stealth? I'm way too lazy to test right now.		[[User:Mekrith\|Mekrith]] 20:16, 22 December 2011 (CST): can anyone confirm if gob/kob have good stealth? I'm way too lazy to test right now.

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	:: Tua are indeed very good. Actually, they used to have 1250 tnl, their TNL was increased in the perception that they're too good. Also, they do have half the tnl of cen, but require a remort. so it's effectively more like between 1/2 and 2/3rd the tnl. Still really great value for their TNL. - [[User:Belag\|Belag]] 09:42, 15 December 2011 (EST)		:: Tua are indeed very good. Actually, they used to have 1250 tnl, their TNL was increased in the perception that they're too good. Also, they do have half the tnl of cen, but require a remort. so it's effectively more like between 1/2 and 2/3rd the tnl. Still really great value for their TNL. - [[User:Belag\|Belag]] 09:42, 15 December 2011 (EST)
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		+	::: I'm extremely dubious about Tua having such a good stealth modifier outside of using Nightcloak when BCI. I have never seen anything which would suggest it would be much different from liz or hum.--[[User:Shadowtop\|Shadowtop]] 23:30, 18 September 2013 (EDT)

	For various races, as far as I know. Of course, this can be inaccurate:		For various races, as far as I know. Of course, this can be inaccurate:

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		+	[[User:Mekrith\|Mekrith]] 20:16, 22 December 2011 (CST): can anyone confirm if gob/kob have good stealth? I'm way too lazy to test right now.
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	Zaav commented how races with either stealth or hide have +1 and both have +2 - does anyone know is this is true? I suppose it does make sense. -- [[User:WinterRose\|WinterRose]] 02:54, 17 December 2011 (CST)		Zaav commented how races with either stealth or hide have +1 and both have +2 - does anyone know is this is true? I suppose it does make sense. -- [[User:WinterRose\|WinterRose]] 02:54, 17 December 2011 (CST)

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 Zaav commented how races with either stealth or hide have +1 and both have +2 - does anyone know is this is true? I suppose it does make sense. -- [[User:WinterRose|WinterRose]] 02:54, 17 December 2011 (CST)
-As sensible as it might be to make a relationship to visible racials and invisible modifiers, there's no evidence one exists.  --[[User:Mekrith|Mekrith]] 14:10, 17 December 2011 (CST)
+: As sensible as it might be to make a relationship to visible racials and invisible modifiers, there's no evidence one exists.  Moreover, races such as tua, hie and imp clearly break this "rule". --[[User:Mekrith|Mekrith]] 14:10, 17 December 2011 (CST)
 is Tua stealth really equal to the best in the game, i.e, hlf, kzn and dsd? if true, aside from not making a lot of sense thematically, that's just one more bonus for an already over-twink race, in my opinion.--[[User:3nki|3nki]] 06:13, 14 December 2011 (CST)

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	Zaav commented how races with either stealth or hide have +1 and both have +2 - does anyone know is this is true? I suppose it does make sense. -- [[User:WinterRose\|WinterRose]] 02:54, 17 December 2011 (CST)		Zaav commented how races with either stealth or hide have +1 and both have +2 - does anyone know is this is true? I suppose it does make sense. -- [[User:WinterRose\|WinterRose]] 02:54, 17 December 2011 (CST)
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		+	As sensible as it might be to make a relationship to visible racials and invisible modifiers, there's no evidence one exists. --[[User:Mekrith\|Mekrith]] 14:10, 17 December 2011 (CST)

	is Tua stealth really equal to the best in the game, i.e, hlf, kzn and dsd? if true, aside from not making a lot of sense thematically, that's just one more bonus for an already over-twink race, in my opinion.--[[User:3nki\|3nki]] 06:13, 14 December 2011 (CST)		is Tua stealth really equal to the best in the game, i.e, hlf, kzn and dsd? if true, aside from not making a lot of sense thematically, that's just one more bonus for an already over-twink race, in my opinion.--[[User:3nki\|3nki]] 06:13, 14 December 2011 (CST)

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		+	Zaav commented how races with either stealth or hide have +1 and both have +2 - does anyone know is this is true? I suppose it does make sense. -- [[User:WinterRose\|WinterRose]] 02:54, 17 December 2011 (CST)
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	is Tua stealth really equal to the best in the game, i.e, hlf, kzn and dsd? if true, aside from not making a lot of sense thematically, that's just one more bonus for an already over-twink race, in my opinion.--[[User:3nki\|3nki]] 06:13, 14 December 2011 (CST)		is Tua stealth really equal to the best in the game, i.e, hlf, kzn and dsd? if true, aside from not making a lot of sense thematically, that's just one more bonus for an already over-twink race, in my opinion.--[[User:3nki\|3nki]] 06:13, 14 December 2011 (CST)

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 is Tua stealth really equal to the best in the game, i.e, hlf, kzn and dsd? if true, aside from not making a lot of sense thematically, that's just one more bonus for an already over-twink race, in my opinion.--[[User:3nki|3nki]] 06:13, 14 December 2011 (CST)
-Tua stealth is very good, which is part of why they are popular blds (high stealth, medium size, cen stats).  Yeah the race is totally unbalanced, but that's nothing new.  It's centaur plus at half tnl.--[[User:Mekrith|Mekrith]] 02:14, 15 December 2011 (CST)
+: Tua stealth is very good, which is part of why they are popular blds (high stealth, medium size, cen stats).  Yeah the race is totally unbalanced, but that's nothing new.  It's centaur plus at half tnl.--[[User:Mekrith|Mekrith]] 02:14, 15 December 2011 (CST)
 For various races, as far as I know. Of course, this can be inaccurate: